Everyone wants an MtF but not an FtM?

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I think it interesting that more than one person suggested that it was perhaps the fact that MTFs are more "hormonally" charged that they be seen more appealing in terms of sex, when in fact, FTMs are the ones being regularly injected with TESTOSTERONE which is the steroid of --- HORMONES. A hormone whose pure biological intent is to COMPETE to BREED, thus, FTMs experience relatively higher --- drives.

And where, more often than not, transwomen are injecting TESTOSTERONE INHIBITORS and ESTROGEN, which act to negate the effects of testosterone, namely, libido.

[heathiem]

`I think a lot of the issue has to do with a ----- that can provide deep penetration. If i was a girl who wanted this, i would not want to be with an FTM that has not had bottom surgery. I'm assuming this is the same for gay men. I think there are a lot of people who are attracted to men who really want a large ----- and testicles on the man they are having a ------ experience with - i know a lot of girls who say size matters and i imagine gay men may also feel the same way. It really may just come down to genital preference, instead of gender preference. Just my thoughts.

It is those people who *really* dont care about size, etc that are *really* into FTMs. I also really wonder about the apparent demand for MTFs - if those women are pre or post op.. or if it just SEEMS like they are more desired when in reality they arent.. there's been a lot of talk about how they have been fetishized and i think that might have something to do with it too, but at this point im kind of just throwing stuff out there to try to answer the OP.

Personally, i ONLY want to be with an FTM, not a cisman or ciswoman or an MTF, but you know, i didnt actually know that until i fell crazy in love with an FTM. Now i know that an FTM is exactly what i want for many many reasons, but theres no way i could have known that before. Maybe a lot of people just dont know how awesome and amazing a relationship with an FTM can be and so arent looking for one? I know i wasnt looking for one until now, i cant be the only person...

[ciphernine]

`Oh no... I'd love to date the right FtM.

[kenftm1976]

`I have read this thread and can only make a comment too late. I don’t find the description from a man who wants to date a FTM who hasn’t had surgery offensive at all. I can understand why a non-op or pre-op MTF might find anti ----- sentiment a bit daunting but he came here looking for FTM so you really shouldn’t take it personally. I think it’s great that he joined up and I know that there would be FTM folk out there who appreciate the presence of men like that.

Earlier in the thread a cis male got into trouble from other posters for what was deemed as vulgar language. Buck angel freely uses the term ‘p*ssy’ and ‘c*nt’ and encourages trans men to use what they have and not be ashamed of it. I think riding somebody for using these terms with a trans man adds to the shame a lot of FTM feel about their bodies and it hurts the FTM community more to add to this shame than any slang word for vagina ever will.

If you look up Buck Angel on Youtube you can see some promos for his documentary ‘Sexing the Transman’. I’d love to see it – it looks empowering.

Peace all.

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`I think the answer is very simple. Women are more desired than men. Therefore, it would seem logical that M2F would be more desired than F2M because the end result is females are more desired. I know that's a generality, which tends to piss off folks, but that's the vibe I get. Go to any match matching site on the web or newspaper. It's mostly men seeking females.

As for the biological gender vs the mental gender discussions...there again, I take a general view. Have a -----, you're a man. Have a vagina, you're a female. How you wish to be addressed or treated or live your life is all based on your mental gender. I don't get into the whole, "I'm a X trapped in a Y body" discussion. To me, you are what you want to be. No need to confuse everyone with the "I'm in the wrong body" tripe. I don't say that out of disrespect. I just mean to say it's not important. Live and be what you want to be. Everyone else will just have to come to grips with that. And the ones that can't....leave them behind.

I personally like F2M, but there too, it's an attraction issue. Everyone is different. Some M2F feel they need to overdress and apply makeup with a paint brush, then consciously sway their hips and talk in a squeaky voice....because....that's what being a female is right? Not for me. I like the down to earth M2F types. The guys that go for that tom boy look. Jeans and a tank top with little to no makeup. Just like any girl you'd find walking the mall. Likewise, some F2M seem to think that growing a beard and packing a beer gut makes them a man. Nothing wrong with that, but not my attraction. I like the personalities of a lot of F2M trans. The physical attraction all depends on what they're after. I personally prefer pre-ops on both sides of the fence.

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I would love to find a nice ftm, but I would not usually come right out about it. It seems to me that it is harder for a woman to come out that they like ftm because, in my area, lesbians are less accepted than gays, not to mention that women are not supposed to be h----.

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`I love ftm's! I think they're so hot but there aren't a lot of them in my area.

[bear63]

`I have recently joined this site and thought I would pop into the forum see what I could find of interest.. well this thread has certainly been interesting. You can't generalize an FTM or an MTF, or for that matter a stone butch who will have nothing to do with her/hyr female genitalia and definitely wouldn't let their partner touch them in a feminizing manner.

I am a preop FTM, to me I have never had a female body, I was hairy around 8/9 and also thought I was finally growing a willy as things took off a bit down there. I sort of had a female puberty but the monthly curse stopped after about 3 months, I thought that was it and wondered why my school friends moaned every month about it..lol Around 14 I got hairier, my shoulders broadened, my hips were non-existant, and my voice lower a bit and I started to grow a beard, within 6 months I could grow quite a fine beard. As I grew older I also tended to look even more masculine. I have been on testosterone for 2.5 years and am now even furrier which I like, I really hated having to shave the majority of my body to appear female. My breasts popped up but I never saw them as that, to me they were lumps that were there, and now I see them as moobs until I get back on the surgery route. I would love lower surgery and have a ----- and balls, but that won't happen because it is too many ops for somebody with a few health problems.

I have seen quite a few transguys call their parts junk, others call it a mangina, some won't speak of it at all, I call it my little fella and the other part is just a hole. Since the age of 8/9 when I thought I was growing a willy, I have never seen that area as female. I know biologically it is but I don't have to call it by it's medical name just because Buck Angel is proud of his vagina, good for him but we are all individuals, we are all unique. I would imagine there are MTF's who don't want to get rid of their ----- and balls, or maybe just their balls, whereas other MTF's can't wait to have the operation, again they are individuals and are their own unique, you can't put us all under an FTM and an MTF umbrella because we all want the same thing respectively.

Online I have a gay male admirer and friend, who says I am his ideal man, I asked him why and he replied, that I was older, was hairy, had a beard and a male chest (at that stage I was booked for surgery), and a vagina.. I asked him why and he said because he preferred the feel of a vagina, which is fair enough. I didn't reprimand for calling my hole a vagina, he might not know other words in English for it as his first language is Spanish. It was then that I thought they are people out there that like FTM's more than just a friendship. I came out of a 3.5 yr relationship with a straight woman in January, and she saw me as a man, she had only known me as a man, I was happy in the relationship but her feelings had changed and some other things, but we keep in contact and are still friends. Since I have been on T my attraction towards men has got more and I am finding I would probably class myself as bi these days, not that I have found a man, apart from my Mexican admirer. I would go out with a pre-op and post-op MTF if we were attracted to each other, same with a bi or gay guy, and there are gay guys out there who like FTM's as I know a few who have gay boyfriends. Anyway, it is 5.55 am and I should have been in bed hours ago, but I decided to browse the forum.. lol

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its because MTF knows the ins and out of the trans world,,we mostly have no limitations,and we are very much flexible in all aspects,,even in and out of bed,and MTF is the new trend and very in demand nowadays internationaly,,,so don't be outdated!lol

[treyu]

`May sound a bit odd but I'm FtM and I didn't take any offense to those men who posted about liking an FtM who isn't shy about their 'lower parts' pre-surgery.

I am one of those such FtM's and I don't plan to change it. I've got it, I enjoy it, may as well do it, right?

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Some of you are weird, talking about chest hair and how your transition goes, I don't want to hear that ----in sht, can you imagine how that will sound to a person in reality? And I absolutely hate the comments from the genetic man haters too, your filth is all geared towards your local belief, it's less based on reality than the people comparing their "pube hair growth/loss" on this forum post. The following is a more worldly, more aimed at giving a greater group peace of mind without making people uncomfortable (yes you pubic measurers) and singlularly targeting and bashing like kids (yes you estrogen rage bombs/man haters).



WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS HAS BEEN SCREEN SHOT POST, DATED, BACKED UP AND COPYRIGHTED. ANY PLAGIRISM
OR CONTENT TAKEN OR USED WILL BE PURSUED BY THE PUBLISHER THROUGH THE COURT OF LAW.



1. FTM have a higher success rate when it comes to committed -------- relationships.

2. More socially acceptable, less pressure by society for a woman (GG) be with a woman (FTM that looks or is fem), also a woman (GG) to be with a man (FTM that looks entirely Masculine)

3. That said, it's easier for (GG)+(FTM), (FTM)+(MTF) to have either -------- or open relationships.

NOW THE TRUTH THAT WILL NEVER ---IN CHANGE. REASONS AS TO WHY PRESSURE IS PUT ON THE MALE, (GENETIC OR NOT). NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT MAN(species) HAS DIFFERENCES. DIFFERENCES QUIT OFTEN SPARK CHANGE (example: when North America was colonized it was because kind easy going people wanted to have peaceful change). WHEN THERE IS NO COMPROMISE THAT IS "DEEMED" PEACEFUL THEN A THING CALLED "WAR" HAPPENS. AND YOU CAN SPIT, ---IN CUSS TILL YOUR PURPLE, GREEN AND BLUE, BUT YOU WILL NEVER, AND I MEAN EVER CONVINCE A GENERAL THAT A MTF OR A FLAMBOYANT GAY MAN, OR GENETIC WOMAN WILL EVER HAVE THE SAME STRENGTH, CAPACITY, WITT, BRUTE, MEAN GRIT THAT A MAN HAS . A MAN IS MORE CAPABLE AS WEILDING IT AS A TOOL AS WELL. A TOOL THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND SHARPENED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PLANET AND BEGINNING OF MAN'S (species) EXISTANCE. IT IS JUST THE TRUE COLD HARD FACTS. A MAN'S BODY AND STRENGTH IS THE WORK MULE, WHIPPING POST, BREAK BOARD FOR ALL THE SHT THIS WOLRD HAS TO SERVE TO HIM. HE ALSO SERVES WHAT HE LOVES, FAMILY AND FRIENDS, THE PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT. MAN IS NOT MADE TO BE SOFT, MALE IS NOT MEANT TO BE METROSEXUAL, THESE ARE ALL EXPERIMENTAL THINGS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED HERE RECENTLY. AND YOU CAN'T CONVIENCE MY EVER THAT SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF EVOLUTTION WILL BE CHANGED OVER COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS.

That being said I didn't say I was opposed to things changing. I just believe that presently the above stated mentality is the one most supported by our world and it's human population.

CAPPS are off now cause the hard part to get people to understand is over. Look I will point something out interesting to you now, the first people on this continent did find peace and wealth, they escaped "conflict" but at the cost of leaving behind a softer more secure environment to hack their lives out if the wild and it's dangers. And let's not forget the conflict the "peaceful journeyers" caused trying to escape their own conflict. We pushed tribes out of their lands.


So now you understand the toughening of man and it's evolution, conflict, and reason society pressures men into a mentality. A part of that pressure is society and evolution. So it's hard to tell a 27 year old man that he should do anything more than have fantasies about something that society, evolution, and religion (a tool of man) tell him not to. There is a conditioning of guilt in his mind for doing what he wants. Denial backed by several hundred thousands of years. I was "HORN DOG" too when I was young, but I was lucky to be that at the age of 15 or 16, that's plenty of time for me to establish my mind and say exactly what I want. I'm lucky... But think about the 30 year old genetic man that just start to realize, or really come around, he is going to be a lot more confused and inclined towards ----, feeling confused and not himself after he thinks about a TG FTM, MTF, GAY GENETIC MEN. Sometimes a man buries it and never talks about it, or never tells a soul, sometimes a man waits till he is thirty five then searches for a --- relation. Sometimes he kills himself, sometimes he goes his whole life as a creepy "transsexual chaser" sometimes he just finds transsexual prostitutes "discreetly", and sometimes I accpet myself, hold tremendous pride and high expectations of my self and strictly date MTF, cause god damn it, that's what want for myself. Why don't you encourage the weak minded, men, and undereducated population out there, instead of bashing on them, OTHERWISE I'LL SHOVE MY SIZE TWELVE BASS BOOT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE! Got it!

Now to retread the tie, the most masculine, trustworthy, humorous, thoughtful, grounded, comfortable, crazy men out there just simply cannot burden the pressure of being with another man. That's to assume they are even interested in the first place. That's why you think that FTM are less desirable.

DISCLAIMER: DO NOT GO OUT AN PRACTICE THAT EVERYMAN HAS FEELINGS TOWARDS MEN. I KNOW IF ANOTHER GENETIC MALE OR FTM EVER GRABBED MY ASS, I WOULD BEAT THE s--- OUT OF THEM. [/code]

Please comment, share, check me out. Be constructive in your response, I will not repeat already obviously stated or concluded topics.

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`Most guys are complete morons and I think that's the best way to describe it. Actually most people are and I think 99% of the intelligent people on this site use these forums as a constructive way to find answers and so on instead of trolling around drooling at photos. Regardless I am a man that's what I identify with and the majority of MtF I speak to identify as women and a lot want to stay pre op because they have that look they desire physically 100% and internally they are a women. I address them as women and treat them as women because in a relationship I want to be the man and I'd like to have a "girlfriend". I have no desire to be with a regular women anymore s--- is just not working out because I keep getting girls that don't know what they want or aren't comfortable with my ------ity and lead me on like they have been. I don't want a post op MtF because that's not what I desire --------. That being said when you fall in love you do not choose it to some extent it rules out the last two lines. But I'd like to have a strong ------ relationship so my mental relationship is not insecure as well. This is just through my experiences so take whatever you see with a grain of salt friends I'm a very open and accepting person but I also am not a person who is confused about what they like, prefer, or want at all. I also, let me make this clear love being dominated in the bed with a MtF or even a passable CD because I love a women that can be on top as well, but I don't want a guy anything that looks like a guy. I love the -------ity women (t girls are women to me) bring to the table. I hope this sheds some light and and answers questions for some. One more thing, I'm not shallow at all and would love to have a beautiful women (MtF) on my arm and show her off like she deserves nights on the town etc. The only reason I have to put MtF in their is so I don't confuse people, unfortunately. Have a peaceful day.

[susmitha]

I am mtf' I like to date ftm. I will be the woman in the relationship.

[natkat]

manbearpig wrote: `Recently, I've seen the term "c*nt-boy" used to describe a -------- active FTM who enjoys having a vagina. This seems like an offensive term to me, but it does seem to describe what I'm into. I'd like a boy with a p*ssy who enjoys having it paid attention to. Is there another term for this?


I looked for a better word who sound less ----tish than c*untboy, but I dont think theres a easy non-----tish word for it.

"Pre-up Ftm, who is confortable that way" is alittle long.
its not that I mind, the c*ntboy word, But sure it dosent fit for a everyday speak.

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``Uh no.... I have a problem with that word.