Why are transgender women so trashy?

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I've noticed this not only in my state, but in various online support groups, dating sites and social networks. This is the case more often then it is not and it is quite disturbing. Not only do they re-enforce the negative stereotypes, they indirectly make my life harder to just be who I am.

Social graces apply to everyone; nobody is above them and for some reason these women find the need to justify their *womaness* by being trashy. Transgenderism does not equate to always wearing dresses, nylons, high heels and being trashy with it. The true essence of being a woman has nothing to do with what you choose to wear so why the excessive need to be trashy? I mean really?

How far do you allow yourself to go concerning being tolerant of transgender issues? I mean...will you accept any person regardless of mental state, attitude, ideologies associated with them or their perspectives on the matter? The reason I ask, is that there are a lot of very **special** transgender people out there and a lot I have personally met I will never associate with ever again nor will I ever support them or their issues. Has anyone here ever came across issues like that? Whether or not they pass in society has absolutely nothing to do with it either. Just my opinion. There is nothing worse than a tramp, natural born girl or not.

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`Um.. I'm sure that there are probably quite a few transgendered women that do fit your description, but I assure you that there are just as many if not more that definitely do not fit that description at all (me included). I think it may be just the fact that some people tend to draw a lot of attention to themselves and that's what has caught your eye. And I apologize if it seems like I'm trying to start something, because I'm not.. I'm just saying that you shouldn't generalize trans women like that, because they're not all like that. I'm proof.

[natkat]

`my belive is that its a matter of diffrent facts..

1; mostly when it comes to transgender, transexuals and transvesites are under the same place.. and some transvestites get ------ desire to dress up..
(im on another site where almost all the trans are mtf or ------ transvestites wich make people question me if im "a real trans")

2; there many trans who tend to overdo alittle with the maleness and feminenety.. like having the most boyish haircut or tons of makeup..
some do to pass, some because there not use to be seen as male or female,
and so on.. but for me I feel it always get fake to overdo it..

3; I think alot of trans people like to feel sexy when there finally confortable in there body. having people to tell them "wow your a hot girl" or something.

4, and last then there all the mtf going into ---- and prostitution thing wich is in some country.

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Some of their behavior is nothing short of being a prostitute of some kind and they act like this is the norm. Morality is inseparable from responsibility. Responsibility implies freedom of choice, the ability to decide over one course of action over another, to think and behave one way instead of another. Thus, morality is a function of reason.

Moral dignity is not a function of how likable we are, how talented, attractive, clean or even good we are. These people think social graces and morality does not apply to them or that they simply project their own twisted view of morality like it is accepted. It's not! Just as the pedophile justifies their actions so will these women by some *logical* means. Well it's logical for a cow to jump over the moon, but that isn't going to happen in reality.

These women have no substance or value to bring our society and only bring it down by their actions. I have nothing against wearing dresses, skirts, heels or nylons per se, but seriously...trash is trash is trash. Intolerance is not necessarily a bad thing. I am intolerant of wearing blue with yellow, --- offenders, criminals, my neighbor's barking dog, ect. I personally do not like or support people that use transgenderism as a means to acquire attention, sympathy, or make themselves feel unique. A person either directly or indirectly furthers the cause of transgender people or they do not. I tend to steer clear of the ones that do not. They are easily noticeable as they do so more for the attention aspect of it. If you take away the attention, chances are, it would no longer be appealing to them.

Regardless of ------ orientation or gender identity, I judge people I meet bythe same criteria no matter who or what they are or perceive themselves to be. A transgender that is a miscreant will receive the same attitude from me that a non-transgender miscreant would. The pejorative term I choose to employ here is simply, "trash."

[natkat]

`now gender view is very big team.. who is from everything to mind, biological, social, and so on and so one..
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every people have a gender indentity, even if it is not to have one or to have more than one..

ever people is born with a sex, even if its messed up..

and every people use the gender spectum driffrent..
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I dont look down on people like "trash" for expressing gender in other kinds..
transvestites who dress up for sex, or dragkings who dress up for entertament.., I feel gender is free, and free to use as you please.

I think your kinda annoyed because by these people you get alot of rumours from ignorant people that your like the same.. of corse your not,
you know who you are and who your not, and you shouldnt take these thing to serious, we all get these annoying misunderstandings..
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but I wont recomend you to look down on it even so, first of all because there already been so much fight between GBLT and transpeople, non trans or gay people and in the trans comunety..

if we just accepted each other for being diffrent insteed of speak of who is right and wrong we might get a little future and the world might be a bit more fun.

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Each person controls their action(s); each person must think about these actions, and be responsible for them and their consequences. A morally good end cannot be served by means that are not themselves morally good. Trying to judge a moral virtue is hard because a lot of people are two faced and although it may appear that they engage in virtuous conduct; they are not really virtuous people. If you do not want to be viewed as trash, then do not act like trash. You are responsible for your actions and not the action of strangers.

[danikchan]

`You're really flaming right now.

Trashy is in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't consider the things I wear to be trashy, but fashionable. But a conservative Christian, between being trans and the clothes I wear, I'm sure that I would be considered very trashy.

If one who is trans, loses their job because of it, (Since most states dont cover trans in the work place) and can't find anything short of McDonalds fry cook, do you really hate on them because they choose to make a living selling themselves to put money on the table for themselves and a kid?

Luckily with you being in Cali you have some trans laws in place that keep ones job safe from prejudice. I can't judge someone nearly as harshly as you :P

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`Everyone judges right down to your decision to respond to my post.

[msdelilah]

`I caught hell for asking the very same question on another forum. I did an experiment and to tell you the truth, I think I may have proven my theory. Like attracts like. I posted a 'not so PC friendly' image of myself with a headline: Looking For Love. All I attracted was guys who wanted to use me, their emails was vile and disgusting. On another profile of mine is a decent photo of me with same headline and profile. I attracted a lot of guys who wrote to me with respect and basically they claim to be looking for the samething. So, as I had always thought, like attracts like. If you look trashy then guess what you'll attract? Certainly not respect!
Also, I created a male profile and hit up on girls who are posting looking for love but their photos should be at a ---- site. Guess what, they use sites like this as a venue for their marketing... escort! They will also lead you to their pay website to watch them on cam. I know economy is hard and tough. Girls fall under the discrimination for employment or want easy cash. More power for them. I just don't want to be lumped into that group. I work too hard to be the woman I am and actually live the life I should live including having a career. I had a nice date with a guy but he blew it when he asked me how much I charge. I left him sitting alone in the restaurant. So I make my profile as specific as I can. And for God's sake, body parts should be seen in private or some really sleazy sites!

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`Women do not sit around debating on how to be women either. "Oh that is so fem, no this is way more fem." lol We DON'T CARE and there are way more important things in life than to debate on whether a one purse make you look more feminine that another one. I totally agree that women are trashy because they want to get specific attention from specific types of people: prostitutes, escorts, swinger parties, or various other -------- perverted scenarios.

A lot of transgender women, transsexual women in particular, are obsessed with skirts, dresses, high heels and nylons for the simple fact it gives them some type of validity or reassurance that they are women. Being a woman has nothing to do with what you wear. Clothes are simply and extension of who you are, not WHO you are. However, they can tell someone a great deal of your character because they ARE and extention of your personality and thus, part of what makes you, YOU.

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`I think there are a couple of seperate issues here. We have to consider the context in which behavious or a person's projected image is viewed. I shouldn't have to say this really, but this being a dating site would suggest that many (most) are here for some kind of relationship, possibly a physical one and so the imagery and flirtation which is appropriate here would be less so in a different situation. I would agree that body parts on display is rather off-putting (we've probably all seen or tried those sites before and found them disappointing) and probably why after several years of this dating stuff, I have only ever met up with one man (and he was a disappointment too). Besides most people look better fully dressed!

Another issue: Who decides what is 'sexually perverted'? Sure, if a person is cornercing or bullying someone who is unwilling into a situation they are uncomfortable with, that's clearly unacceptable. But if both parties are agreeable and have the faculties to make an informed choice, then fine.

I think part of the trouble you are highlighting is that the public perception of 'us' collectively (via the media) is that we have to be hyper-respectable in order to gain wider acceptance from 'society'. A situation where trans woman (or man) marries a (possibly) genetic of the opposite gender and raises a family so that everyone says "Oh they are nice, just like a REAL family" and that nasty subject; --- for the sake of mutual enjoyment rather than procreation doesn't arise.

Speaking for myself, I've lived long enough to know that when, for instance politicians start moralising about other people's private lives, you know the government is in trouble and there are a whole load of skeletons waiting to tumble out of their own cupboards!

OK I'll shut up now.

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`well what i want to know is why no one even speaks to me on any dating site i must a very ugly person which sort of confirms that 90 percent of people are superficial beyond belief

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`well what i want to know is why no one even speaks to me on any dating site i must a very ugly person which sort of confirms that 90 percent of people are superficial beyond belief

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basterdowl wrote: `well what i want to know is why no one even speaks to me on any dating site i must a very ugly person which sort of confirms that 90 percent of people are superficial beyond belief What exactly does this have to do with the topic being discussed?

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`mz natalie, you make me smile!
everytime I come on, there is a new post from you, and every time it is highly charged and oppinionated. you are a real fighter! xx all the best, craig xx